[ Monday, May 29, 2006 ]
WHO REALLY KILLED RAFIK HARIRI?
Tim Sebastian: Are you prepared for the consequences of refusing the Americans.
Rafik HARIRI: I hope there are no concequences. ( HOW WRONG HE WAS!) We are working with the americans and trying to make them understand that this ( hizballah) has nothing to do with terrorism.They are asking something we can not do but we are doing so many other things.But we are telling the americans if you want to win the war on terror we HAVE to resolve the arab israeli conflict.
Synopsis: If you watch these 2 videos & read the interviews you will be able to see that clearly was NOT SYRIA Hariri had a problem with...WATCH the video and YOU be the judge.
Source: BBC
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BBC HARDTALK Interview With Rafik Hariri (VIDEO)http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/progs/05/hardtalk/hariri15feb.ram
Rafik Hariri
Rafik Hariri was killed in an explosion in Beirut
On the 15th February, HARDtalk repeats an interview with former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri who was killed in Beirut Feb 14 2005.
Rafik Hariri and 14 other people were killed in a car bombing in Beirut on Feb 14 2005.
A bomb blew up close to Hariri's motorcade injuring about 120 others.
Tim Sebastian spoke to Mr Hariri in November 2001 when he was still the country's prime minister.
They talked about the war on terror, the situation in the Middle East and relations with neighbouring Syria.
Tim Sebastian spoke to Mr Hariri in November 2001 when he was still the country's prime minister. They talked about the war on terror, the situation in the Middle East and relations with neighbouring Syria.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8295.htmEXCERPTS:
Lebanon refusal to freeze the assets of hizballa is considered a hugge snub to the usa.
H: We are friends with the united states.
I: Why dont you condemn hizballah?
It is related to the arab isreali conflict.There is no contact between Hizballa and al qaeda,even the americans do not say there is a relation between hizballa and qaeda,there are so many things,they are so different from each other,
Interviewer: THere is a contradiction in your stance. You say you are against terrorism yet when the us asks you to freeze the assets of hizballa you refuse.
H: We dont view hizballa the resistance movement as a terrorist organization.
I : So you differ on the definition of terrorist dont you isnt that crucial?
H: It is but we can not do otherwise, there is a part of our country thats occupied and other arab lands that are occupied,there is the conflict between israeli and palestinian,the everyday killing of palestinians by the israelis,there is a war goin on! It is unfortunate for both sides.But this conflict has to end thats why we are calling for the implementation of the un resolutions, i dont see any other solution, because if we dont impliment international law,the problem will continue, the violence will continue, the killing will continue,for both sides.
I: What will it take to change your mind about hisballah and freeze their funding?
H: NOTHING.
I: How about proof about hizballa terrorist acts outside your country?
H: This is something i dont think hizballa has done it.
I: But you are not against the groups the the USA deems as terrorist hizballa.
H:
We have a problem with israel, we do not have a problem with the united states.
I: Yeah but the united states has a problem with hizballah. a huge one.
H:It need a dialogue, we are not consider the americans our enemy, but we can not accept that the enemy of israel are the enemy of america at the same time,ISRAEL IS OUR ENEMY AND IS OCCUPYING OUR LAND so if the united states of america considers the enemy of israel as their enemy this is sonmething else...and i dont think that the americans want that.
I: Let me put it this way , the PRICE for your cooperation with the usa against hisballa is what?
H:Peace is agoal we have to attain whether sept 11 happened or not.Before or after 911 we can not accept that our people who are fighting the occupation to be trerated like that.No nation can say that. People have to judge.We are fighting terrorist qaeda and bin laden.There is a list of 150 terrorist group. Anything related to arab iraeli conflict we can not touch it anything else we will cooperate.Thisis our stand.
I: (Tauntingly), You know the truth of the matter is that even if you wanted to you couldnt stand up to hizballah because they are backed by syria and iran and you dont have the power to take on syria or iran.
H: It snot related if we have the power or not, its related in principle any country in the world, how can you go against the man who fights the occupation? It is unethical. Why dont you see what israel is doing? Why do you only see one side?I dont want and i hate to see an israeli chid or woman or man killed and MOST OF ALL I DONT WANT TO SEE MY OWN PEOPLE KILLED BY THE ISRSAELIS...or tortured or bombarded.
I: So you share the views of hisballah?
H: No we are not exactly on the same table.
I respect the US but dont accept this to happen to united sates and our people as well...to the palestinians and the lebanese.
I: Colim powel asks you to freeze the funds of hizballa what then?
H: I will tell him what im telling you, i will say in public wehat i say in private.This is something we can not do, we should not do, its unethical,these people fight for the liberation of their own land, how can we go after them?
I: Are you prepared for the consequences of refusing the Americans.
H: I hope there are no concequences. ( HOW WRONG HE WAS!) We are working with the americans and trying to make them understand that this ( hizballah) has nothing to do with terrorism.They are asking something we can not do but we are doing so many other things.But we are telling the americans if you want to win the war on teeror we HAVE to resolve the arab israeli conflict.It is not a condition.
Why should I be against syria?We have to go to the root of the problem.The palestinian israeli relation is an occupation.I:You werent strong enough to satnd up against hizballah...and according to many people you arent strong enough to satnd up against syria either.
H:Why should I stand up against syria?
They will withdraw when we ask them to withdraw.We will keep then until we feel we dont need them anymore.There are intellectuals who are asking to leave. And there are intellectuals who are asking Syria to stay.Our society is a very special society. We have a democracy.When it comes to principles and the interest of the country we are one hand but there are differences this is normal.Our land is occupied. How do you want this land to be liberated? I believe in dialogue. We believe in democracy abnd human rights.There are differences but we can work it out.
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"If one takes the time and watches this VERY IMPORTANT video of the hariri hard talk interview w/ tim sebastian, one will see that despite tim sebastians badgering and taunting cajoling hariri to say that hizballa were terrorists he insisted they were freedom fighters and that syria was justified in helping them.One will clearly see from the video interview that Hariri's MAIN problem was ISRAEL and the occupation of lebanon and other arab lands by them and more importantly the definition of the word terrorist.
Interview with BBC Radio
Tuesday, June 18, 2002
The President of the Council of Ministers Mr. Rafic Hariri st “Lebanon will not agree to attend a conference meant to improve Israel’s image in the world,” saying, “We are ready to do so if the US and Israeli governments are serious about reaching a solution in the region.” The Premier said this during an interview with BBC Radio. Below is a transcript of the interview:
Question: What did your talks with British Prime Minister Tony Blair cover?
Prime Minister Hariri: Our talks with the British Prime Minister revolved around a host of subjects; bilateral relations, Britain’s possible participation in the Paris II donor conference which we hope to hold this year following talks with the French president-right after the end of elections and the appointment of a new government. We also discussed the situation in the Middle East and especially in the occupied Palestinian territories.
Q: Did you discuss specific issues related to the Middle East? Certainly, an American position is anticipated, as well as a conference to be convened this summer. What did you touch upon vis-à-vis this issue?
PM Hariri: Actually, we spoke of the situation in the Middle East-namely the occupied Palestinian territories-and the need for us to work together towards a comprehensive (not a partial) solution for the area. I was explicit about the fact that Lebanon’s position being in support of peace in the region, albeit a comprehensive peace that includes Lebanon, Syria and the Palestinians.
Q: So you discussed re-activating the Lebanese and Syrian tracks in negotiations with Israel?
PM Hariri: Naturally, because we always speak of a comprehensive solution. And such a solution would include everybody. However, the British Prime Minister and we are aware of the difficulties arising from the current situation in the region and the difficulties facing the peace process.
Q: Are we to understand from this, your Excellency, that you are against a conference addressing the Palestinian issue bilaterally between the Israel and Palestinian sides? There is talk of a potential Palestinian state. An Arab peace proposal is also on the table. Israel and the United States clearly wish to initiate a solution with the Palestinian side. What is Lebanon’s position on this?
PM Hariri: It would be difficult for the Lebanese state to articulate a position regarding a situation that is not based on a formal invitation addressed either to the Palestinian leadership, ourselves, or our Syrian brethren. However, we have given our opinion; I was just speaking at a meeting and, replying to a question on whether we were with Lebanon being invited along with Syria to a conference. I said it wasn’t a question of inviting Lebanon, but rather whether Lebanon and Syria will accept the invitation or not. It is not a matter of meetings, but rather a matter of ‘what will come of them’. We all know that conferences come about as a result of prior agreements in order to cap them, not to touch off a debate on their points-particularly when they are at a particular political level. If Lebanon is to participate, it needs to know what the agenda is, what topics will be discussed, and what results are expected from the conference. Hence, matters must be discussed outside the conference just as it happens in all conferences. One doesn’t come to a conference and discuss issues there; issues are normally discussed outside the conference-that is on the one hand.
On the other, we are apprehensive that this conference will be but a means for Sharon and Israel to redress their international public image. The Israeli government’s reputation is clearly tarnished vis-à-vis international public opinion. We fear the Israeli government might want to continue in its policy so as to strike at the Palestinians, wipe away the Palestinian Authority, and beg out of all the previous agreements and discussions that took place between Syria and the Israelis; and between the Palestinians and Israelis, telling us we have to go back to square one. Lebanon will not agree to that. If we determine this to be the object of the conference, then I assure you Lebanon will not participate nor, in my estimation, will the Syrians.
Q: We hear you saying this, your Excellency, after having visited Washington. You must have discussed...
PM Hariri: No, we did not touch upon this subject in Washington.
Q: Are we to understand, then, that you’re uncertain whether the United States, despite all we’ve heard of its support for the Arab peace proposal that began with Crown Prince Abdullah’s initiative, will back this proposal or make it a basis for any discussion related to the Middle East in the prospective conference?
PM Hariri: I did not say that. I said we were for any effort aimed at reaching peace, on condition that it be quite serious. As for Lebanon, it will not agree to attend a conference meant to improve Israel’s image in the world. However, we are ready to do so if the US and Israeli governments are serious about reaching a solution in the region.
Q: Lebanon is calling for issues to be discussed prior to convening the conference. Do you propose opening channels with the Americans?
PM Hariri: Of course. This goes for us, the Syrians and the Palestinians. That is a given. What I am saying now is something the Americans already know. They have spoken to us several times and our answer was clear. We support any effort aimed at reaching a peace agreement, on condition that it be a serious effort; an effort that is not meant to polish Israel’s image and make Sharon out to be a man of peace at a time when we see all his actions to be just the opposite. That, simply, is our position.
Q: The United States and Israel are no doubt lobbying Lebanon to do its share as well in defusing regional tensions ahead of any negotiations that might take place. They always say there is the matter of Hizbullah...
PM Hariri: Israel possesses the greatest arsenal of weapons in the region. It is capable of waging war on all the Arabs put together. It possesses nuclear weapons; all sorts of bombs, in fact; weapons of mass destruction; all sorts of fighter jets; and innumerable weapons. Yet it is trying to portray itself through the media outlets and political rhetoric as the victim that has been assailed. It is the Arabs who are the victims and Arab lands that are being occupied.
Q: But this does not negate the fact that attacks are being launched on Israel from within Lebanese territories.
PM Hariri: That is not true. A portion of Lebanese territory is still under Israeli occupation. That is the cause of instability along a segment of the Lebanese-Israeli border. As for the rest of the Blue Line, it is calm. There have been no complications there since they left. There are the Shebaa Farms-and they are occupied Lebanese territory. The Israelis say it is not Israeli but Syrian territory, and Syria says it is Lebanese territory. The Israelis must get out of these lands.
Q: But neither Syria nor Lebanon have resolved the issue of whether the Shebaa Farms are Lebanese or Syrian. There has been no demarcation of the border.
PM Hariri: That is not true. How can demarcation be done whilst the occupation remains. Has any country ever drawn up its borders with another country while its land was occupied? Demarcation occurs via specific measures. How can we lay down borders when the territory is occupied and Israeli troops are present in it? This talk is unacceptable. If Israel vacates, then the matter of delineating a border can be wound up. They have nothing to do with the relationship between Lebanon and Syria. In any case, they have stated the territory is not Israeli, so let them vacate it.
Q: If there is a need for US mediation and negotiations with Israel via the American party, then shouldn’t Lebanon try not to embarrass the American side by denying Israel the pretext of the massing of Hizbullah and its new weapons and refusing to deploy troops in the South?
PM Hariri: Let’s speak frankly. Israel cannot give itself a right and preclude others this same right. Has it decreased its armed presence, the number of its troops, its military equipment, or stopped buying weapons of mass destruction? What do we own compared to all this? If you take a look at the armed forces present in Lebanon, be they regular or not, you’ll see that they represent but a tiny portion of what Israel has.
Q: The Lebanese authorities arrested Palestinians attempting to attack Israel from Lebanon. What’s the difference?
PM Hariri: The difference is enormous. We have reiterated dozens of times that Lebanon refuses to be turned into a fighting arena by the Palestinians against the Israelis. If the Palestinians wish to fight Israel, then let them do it from within the occupied territories. The Lebanese border is not the right place to do that. That is the position of the Lebanese government.
Q: There is Israeli talk of the return of the Revolutionary Iranian Guard to the Bekaa in support of Hizbullah.
PM Hariri: That is nothing but ‘Israeli talk’. The Israelis entered into Palestinian territories, destroyed their houses, and abducted their men. The Israeli army ordered the murder of Palestinians yet raised objections abroad. Would you believe the rhetoric or the actions Israel is committing on the ground?
Q: During the all-important signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union in Luxembourg, the Lebanese Foreign Minister was quoted as saying that Lebanon must do everything in its power to enhance regional cooperation in the Middle East. Within the framework of the Barcelona process and these agreements, participating countries-including Israel-must cooperate with each other. What was meant by saying that Lebanon will seek to enhance such cooperation?
PM Hariri: In the simplest of terms, the Minister said we will cooperate with the European countries. Period. Nothing more.
Q: So the European countries are meant by “regional cooperation”?
PM Hariri: For us it does.
Q: Let’s talk a little about the Palestinian situation. You did, of course, stress for a comprehensive solution. However, Lebanon no doubt has an opinion about the solutions proposed to the Palestinians, given that 300,000 Palestinians in Lebanon are affected by this solution.
PM Hariri: We respect the Palestinians’ decision. We will agree to whatever solution they find acceptable unless it affects us in some way. In other words, the matter of Jerusalem concerns both us and the Palestinians, because Jerusalem does not belong to the Palestinians alone but concerns the entire Arab and Islamic worlds. Hence, we have an opinion on this just as all the Arab countries do. However, as concerns the nature of the agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians, they are more knowledgeable of this matter.
As for the Palestinian presence in Lebanon, that, too, is something we have an opinion about, for nobody has more of a say on this matter than Lebanon. We refused naturalization. It is part of our constitution and there is total and complete consensus in Lebanon on this issue.
Q: In an interview with one of the American media outlets before flying to Washington, you answered a question about the Syrian military presence in Lebanon by saying that the Syrians are aiding Lebanon, especially since 300,000 Palestinians are present there. This gave the impression that you saw the Palestinians presence as a factor of instability in Lebanese society. Do you see any danger emanating from the Palestinians refugee camps?
PM Hariri: Don’t put words in my mouth. I said the Syrian presence in Lebanon is a positive factor in ensuring stability in Lebanon on many levels, security being one of them. I also said we had much more to do. I won’t hide the fact that the border between Lebanon and Israel was on fire two decades ago. Palestinians in Lebanon are located in camps and are a special case. We are working with our brother Syrians to safeguard stability in Lebanon. To this end, we look upon the Syrian presence as a supportive one. As for whether the Palestinian presence in Lebanon is a factor of stability or not, that is not an issue from this angle, since stability is ensured by the Lebanese state with the help of the Syrians...
Q: -with the existence of weapons in the Palestinian camps?
PM Hariri: This matter is limited to the camps and the state has been successful in this regard.
Q: The existence, however, of attempts carried out by the Palestinians in the South means that weapons are finding their way out of the camps sometimes.
PM Hariri: It is also proof that the Lebanese state is ever-watchful.
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Exclusive: Lebanon's PM On Conflict
BEIRUT, April 15, 2002
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Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri (AP)
(CBS) In an exclusive interview, CBS News Anchor Dan Rather speaks with Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri about the concern that the Mideast conflict could expand northward into Lebanon, if border attacks by Hezbollah guerrillas provoke an Israeli invasion.
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Rather: Mr. Prime Minister, do you personally expect Ariel Sharon to send an Israeli ground operation into southern Lebanon?
Hariri: He might do that. I wish he will not. I know very well that Israel has the strongest army in the region and I know that he can destroy our country. He can stand against all the Arab countries in the region, against all the Arabs together we know that.
Rather: If Ariel Sharon and the Israelis should open even aerial attacks, much less a ground attack, what will happen?
Hariri: Oh it will be a war. It will be a war this is a big mistake for all of us. And then what?
Rather: That's my question and then what?
Hariri: Exactly. We can argue whose mistake it is. But then what? Do we want to live in war? Do we hate each other until to the extent that we want to destroy each other? The point is how we end this? We can argue me and you until tomorrow, who is making mistakes but this does not change the reality on the ground.
Rather: Can you exert control over Hezbollah, in the southern half of your country?
Hariri: In what situation, if there is a peace?
Rather: For Israel's security.
Hariri: If there is a peace all the countries in the region will co-operate together to assure the security of each other.
Rather: The belief is widespread in the United States that Yassir Arafat had 95% of what he had asked for on the table and he walked away from it.
Hariri: Why 95 percent, why not 100 percent? All the territory that has been occupied in 1967 against peace and normal relations with Israel it means 100 percent. It doesn't mean 99 percent. I think if you want peace you have to give me what is mine. Sheba Farm, I know so many people who say, what is Sheba Farm, it is just a small piece of land. Yes but it is our land.
Rather: And if the Israelis agree to do that what do they get?
Hariri: They get to be part of the solution. They want to live in peace, they want to live in peace, I cannot imagine that the Israeli people, who are a people of history they want to live in war with their neighbors forever. They want to carry guns all their lives? How can they imagine this.
Rather: Mr. Prime Minster, if President Bush were to say to you, how do we stop suicide bombings, sending young Muslim people to their own certain death and doing evil deeds, how do we stop that?
Hariri: Surely 100 percent we cannot stop them by what Sharon is doing. It won't stop and by the contrary it might exceed it. Secondarily the answer is the same, peace peace and peace.
Rather: And to those Israelis who say listen the only thing they understand is the fist?
Hariri: You think it works, it will not work, it will never work. You cannot take 2 million people and jail them. What has to happen today, they have to stop and they have to withdraw. United States has to play its role as the greatest country in the world, because you have all kinds of arms? Not because of that...because we believe you are a democratic society, you believe in human rights. You believe in the law. We need your help to achieve peace in the region without you we cannot make it ok? We cannot do it.
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CNN LIVE TODAY
Interview With Rafik Hariri
Aired March 29, 2002 - 14:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0203/29/lt.12.htmlTHIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: As we continue our discussion of what is happening in the Middle East and our coverage with a very important phone call standing by. Rafik Hariri, prime minister of Lebanon, calling in from Beirut. Mr. Prime Minister, thank you for calling us.
Hello, sir? Are you there? Mr. Hariri?
RAFIK HARIRI, PRIME MINISTER OF LEBANON: Yes, yes. I hear you.
KAGAN: OK. It's Daryn Kagan at CNN world headquarters in Atlanta. Mr. Hariri, have you had chance to speak with Yasser Arafat today?
HARIRI: Yes. I just spoke to him. Yes.
KAGAN: You just spoke with him?
HARIRI: Yeah. Yeah. I just spoke to him. Yes.
KAGAN: And...
HARIRI: An hour ago.
KAGAN: And what was the discussion? Did he talk about what had happened in his compound today in Ramallah?
HARIRI: He was telling me about the situation he is living in. He said that all the buildings around his residence have been destroyed and they are -- they are on fire. And he told me that there is five people have been killed and they cannot move them. And about 40 persons were injured, and they cannot transfer them to the hospital.
KAGAN: And what about his own personal safety? Was he -- had he been hurt, or did he fear for his safety?
HARIRI: Yes. He is concerned. And -- but he said I have -- I cannot do anything, I am under siege.
KAGAN: The Israeli government has made it very clear -- I don't know if you've gotten this word, but certainly we've heard it here on CNN and from Secretary of State Colin Powell -- that Yasser Arafat is not their target. They do not intend to kill him in this operation.
HARIRI: So what they are trying to do? Undermine him? Put pressure on him? His people? I don't know what they are doing.
KAGAN: Is today a discouraging day for you, sir, especially since history was made in your country yesterday, with the approval by the Arab League of the Saudi peace proposal?
HARIRI: You know, the picture in the Arab world that there is in one hand, a peace plan, has been agreed from all the Arab countries, and was supported by the United States, Europe, China, Russia, the European Union and all the other countries in the world. And on the other hand, we see that the Israeli government is attacking that part of the Palestinian leader. This is a political scene in the Middle East today.
KAGAN: I don't know if you were able to hear earlier. We certainly carried his comments on CNN and CNN International. But U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, very clear the U.S. believes that Israel has a right to defend itself, in light of the recent suicide bombings.
HARIRI: Yeah. Everybody has the right to defend himself, but by attacking headquarter of President Arafat, this will lead to -- to the security of Israel? I doubt that.
KAGAN: Were you able to hear -- were you able to hear Secretary Powell's comments earlier today?
HARIRI: Yeah. I had -- I didn't hear him in person, but I saw in writing what he said.
KAGAN: And you could see then, if you saw the writing, that he was very critical of the Palestinians, and almost completely blaming them for the breakdown of the peace process, saying the one reason that the peace process is breaking down is because of raw terror, whereas not being so harsh on the Israelis. What's your reaction to that?
HARIRI: You know, it's very hard here in this part of the world to understand those statements. I'll be very frank with you. We do respect highly the secretary, but it is very hard for us to understand this statement at this moment, after -- especially after the Arab peace plan and the action of Arafat.
KAGAN: And how would you suggest -- how would you suggest that that peace process get back on track and move past today's violence, sir?
HARIRI: First of all -- first of all, I believe that the Israeli government has to announce clearly and loudly that they do accept that peace plan, which has been accepted by the whole world, including the U.N. Secretary-General, including everybody in the world. And to stop that attack against the Palestinians and the Palestinian leader.
KAGAN: And are you hopeful that's going to happen? There are certainly some elements of that peace plan that the Israelis are not comfortable with. HARIRI: You know, it is very clear that the Israelis, they don't want this plan and they don't agree. You know, the irony in our situation is the following. That we have public opinion in the Arab world who is supporting the peace initiative and the peace plan and the government -- all the governments in the Arab world are for it and they support it. And they vote for it 100 percent.
On the other hand, we have in Israel, an Israeli government which has been elected by the Israeli people. Their political agenda is not for peace. They are from the camp anti-peace.
KAGAN: Mr. Prime Minister, I want to get back to your conversation that you had just a little bit ago with Yasser Arafat. We're showing to our U.S. domestic audience right now videotape that shows Yasser Arafat meeting earlier today with advisers in his compound.
Was he able to relate to you how much he's able to do this right now, whether it's meeting with other people within his compound, or clearly get phone calls out? I mean, obviously, he was able to make contact with you, so there is some communication that's taking place.
HARIRI: Yes. There is a satellite phone which is still working. He said, "I'm talking to you in the dark. I have no electricity." And he explained to me that situation of the buildings around him. He said he's in the dark, and that his satellite telephone is working.
KAGAN: And just one note from yesterday, were you able to explain to him and can you explain to us now, sir, why you blocked his speech that he was trying to give to the Arab meeting yesterday? Why did you not let that play?
HARIRI: It -- it wasn't -- it was a technical problem. The Lebanese president told the (UNINTELLIGIBLE), and he will come, President Arafat, and any speech he wants to mjusery well. Understood. Prime Minister Rafik Hariri of Lebanon. Sir, thank you for calling us. We appreciate your time. A difficult day in your part of the world today.
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[ Saturday, May 27, 2006 ]
The Universal Soldier http://www.brownielocks.com/universalsoldierWAVE.htmlHe's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four,
He fights with missiles and with spears.
He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen,
Been a soldier for a thousand years.
He'a a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain,
A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew.
And he knows he shouldn't kill,
And he knows he always will,
Kill you for me my friend and me for you.
And he's fighting for Canada,
He's fighting for France,
He's fighting for the USA,
And he's fighting for the Russians,
And he's fighting for Japan,
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.
And he's fighting for Democracy,
He's fighting for the Reds,
He says it's for the peace of all.
He's the one who must decide,
Who's to live and who's to die,
And he never sees the writing on the wall.
But without him,
How would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone,
He's the one who gives his body
As a weapon of the war,
And without him all this killing can't go on.
He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame,
His orders come from far away no more,
They come from here and there and you and me,
And brothers can't you see,
This is not the way we put the end to war.
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[ Wednesday, May 24, 2006 ]
Amnesty International Condemns Russia, China, U.S. for Rights Abuse
Amnesty International said in a report released Tuesday and quoted by AP that the relentless pursuit of security by the world’s powerful nations had undermined human rights, draining energy and attention from crises afflicting the poor and underprivileged.
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[ Tuesday, May 23, 2006 ]
World Council of Churches Slams IsraelIsrael bears the burden of responsibility for the present crisis in the Middle East, the World Council of Churches has announced, following a meeting of its Executive Committee in Geneva from May 16-19.The Christian Left's leading ecumenical organization stated Israel's actions towards the Palestinians "cannot be justified morally, legally or even politically."
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[ Tuesday, May 16, 2006 ]
Over 200 Short Infectious Memes--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Explaining the unknown by means of the unobservable is always a perilous business.
If god doesn't like the way I live,
Let him tell me, not you.
If atheism is a religion, then health is a disease!
[Clark Adams]
If the Bible is mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust it to tell us where we're going?
If god really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him. [Mikhail Bakunin]
To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin.
[Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
Scriptures: The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which all other faiths are based. [Ambrose Bierce]
Why has a religious turn of mind always a tendency to narrow and harden the heart? [Robert Burns]
A one sentence definition of mythology?
'Mythology' is what we call someone else's religion. [Joseph Campbell]
I don't believe in god because I don't believe in Mother Goose. [Clarence Darrow]
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. [Philip K. Dick]
I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it. [Einstein]
The foundation of morality should not be made dependent on myth nor tied to any authority lest doubt about the myth or about the legitimacy of the authority imperil the foundation of sound judgment and action. [Einstein]
It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the Bible.
[George W. Foote]
I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forego their use. [Galileo]
Heresy is only another word for freedom of thought. [Graham Greene, 1981]
We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me. [Jack Handey]
John Wesley said that if you give up the witchcraft, you must give up the Bible. He is right. The choice is easy for me. [Rupert Hughes]
The Christian religion not only was at first attended with miracles, but even at this day cannot be believed by any reasonable person without one. [David Hume]
To hate man and worship god seems to be the sum of all the creeds. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
I have little confidence in any enterprise or business or investment that promises dividends only after the death of the stockholders. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
If we should put god in the Constitution
there would be no room left for man. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
Ministers say that they teach charity. That is natural. They live on hand-outs. All beggars teach that others should give. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
Blasphemy is an epithet bestowed by superstition upon common sense. [Ingersoll's Works]
The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. [Delos McKown]
I find every sect, as far as reason will help them, make use of it gladly; and where it fails them, they cry out, It is a matter of faith, and above reason. [John Locke]
An atheist [...] only has to be someone who believes that the evidence on the God question is at a similar level to the evidence on the werewolf question. [John McCarthy]
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. [H.L. Mencken]
...I was suddenly inspired to describe the Judeo-Christian god as a penis which has been endowed with cosmic significance. [Soledad de Montalvo]
Fear prophets ... and those prepared to die for the truth, for as a rule they make many others die with them, often before them, at times instead of them. [Umberto Eco]
One of my favorite fantasies is that next Sunday not one woman, in any country of the world, will go to church. If women simply stop giving our time and energy to the institutions that oppress, they cease to be. [Sonia Johnson]
Koranic teaching still insists that the sun moves around the earth. How can we advance when they teach things like that? [Taslima Nasrin Time magazine, 31st Jan 1994]
Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. [Bertrand Russell]
I do not need the idea of God to explain the world I live in. [Salman Rushdie, on David Frost show]
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence. [Bertrand Russell]
If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color.
[Mark Schnitzius on alt.atheism]
The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women's emancipation. [Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Free Thought Magazine, 1896]
The truth cannot be asserted without denouncing the falsehood. [Leslie Stephen]
Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. [Letters from the Earth, Mark Twain]
Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. [Voltaire]
I don't want to see any religious people in public office because they're working for another boss. [Frank Zappa]
The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall. [Thomas Paine, Age of Reason]
Why be born again, when you can just grow up?
To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today. [Isaac Asimov]
The word heretic ought to be a term of honour...
[Charles Bradlaugh]
I am an agnostic; I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of. [Clarence Darrow]
Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
[Denis Diderot, Dithyrambe sur la fête des rois]
The more the fruits of knowledge become accessible to men, the more widespread is the decline of religious belief. [Sigmund Freud]
No deity will save us, we must save ourselves. Promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful.
[Humanist Manifesto II, Prometheus Books, 1973]
The hands that help are better far than the lips that pray. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
...to argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
[Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 1, p.127]
It cannot be too often repeated, that truth scorns the assistance of miracle. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
Reason should be destroyed in all Christians. [Martin Luther]
Faith may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable. [H. L. Mencken]
Christian theology is not only opposed to the scientific spirit; it is opposed to every other form of rational thinking. [H. L. Mencken]
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. [Nietzsche]
To recognize that nature has neither a preference for our species nor a bias against it takes only a little courage [James Randi]
It is an interesting and demonstrable fact, that all children are atheists and were religion not inculcated into their minds, they would remain so. [Ernestine Rose]
You pronounce sentence upon me with greater fear than I receive it. [Giordano Bruno to his inquisitors]
And that inverted bowl we call the sky,
Whereunder crawling coop't we live and die,
lift not thy hands to It for help - for It
Rolls impotently on as Thou or I. [Rubàiyàt]
Nothing fails like prayer [Annie Laurie Gaylor]
Eve was framed [Annie Laurie Gaylor]
The cosmos is a gigantic fly-wheel making ten thousand revolutions a minute. Man is a sick fly taking a dizzy ride on it. Religion is the theory that the wheel was designed and set in motion to give him the ride. [H.L. Mencken]
The Church has always been willing to swap off treasures in heaven for cash down. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are consequences. [R.G. Ingersoll]
I count religion but a childish toy,
And hold there is no sin but ignorance. [Christopher Marlowe]
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. [Blaise Pascal]
I have only a small flickering light to guide me in the darkness of a thick forest. Up comes a theologian and blows it out. [Denis Diderot]
My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. [Thomas Paine]
To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler -- and less trouble. [Mark Twain]
My mind is my own church. [Thomas Paine]
The first step towards philosophy is incredulity. [Denis Diderot]
Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. {Ambrose Bierce]
'Faith' means not wanting to know what is true. [Friedrich Nietzsche]
It was the schoolboy who said, 'Faith is believing what you know ain't so'. [Mark Twain]
Never judge a man till you have walked a mile in his shoes, 'cuz by then, he's a mile away, you've got his shoes, and you can say whatever the hell you want to.
Despite the high cost of living, it remains a popular item.
Common sense is what tells you that the world is flat.
Just say NO to religion. [Dan Barker]
My thoughts will not cater to priest or dictator;
No person can deny,
Die Gedanken Sind Frei!
[16th century German peasant song]
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky. [Imagine, John Lennon]
Our lives shall not be sweated
from birth until life closes;
hearts starve as well as bodies;
give us bread, but give us roses. [Bread & Roses]
No woman can call herself free until she can choose consciously whether she will or will not be a mother. [Margaret Sanger]
It is almost intrinsically impossible for ideas about how we are fooling ourselves to gain an adequate hearing. We are good enough at it to keep them nicely at bay. - Melvin Konner, Tangled Wing
You keep accusing me of blasphemy all of the time,
But I cannot be convicted of a victimless crime.
Friendly Neighborhood Atheist --[Dan Barker]
I think, therefore I am an atheist.
Cogito, ergo non credo.
Cogito, ergo atheos sum.
Jesus is a Myth.
Evolution, the Greatest Theory Ever Told!
A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it. - Oscar Wilde
Pray: To ask the laws of the universe to be annulled on behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. - Ambrose Bierce
While there is a lower class, I am in it;
while there is a criminal element, I am of it;
and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free. - Eugene Debs
The Puritan through Life's sweet garden goes
To pluck the thorn and cast away the rose.
[Kenneth Hare]
Theology is the effort to explain the unknowable in terms of the not worth knowing. - H.L Mencken
The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. [Eric Hoffer]
By the year 2000 we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.
[Gloria Steinem]
Die Gedanken sind frei!
WARNING! Literal belief in this book may endanger your health and your life.
I must have a reason for a certain hypothesis. Either I know a thing, and then I know it-- I don't need to believe it. -- [Carl Jung]
Eliminate the Deficit,
Tax the Churches!
For God so loved the world that he made up his mind to damn the large majority of the human race. -- Robert G. Ingersoll
Jesus is not my best friend, I have real friends.
Andrew Lias on alt.atheism
Happiness is the only good.
The time to be happy is now,
The place to be happy is here --R.G. Ingersoll
I haven't rejected god, I've never met him.
Trevor Hick on alt.atheism
To rule by fettering the mind through fear of punishment in another world, is just as base as to use force. -- Hypatia (c. 370-415 CE)
... there could be talking bunny rabbits, spiders who write English messages in their webs, and for that matter, melancholy choo-choo trains. There could be, I suppose, but there aren't--so my theory doesn't have to explain them. --Daniel Dennett
Public prayer...Don't Stand for it!
...it would be more pardonable to believe in no God at all, than to blaspheme Him by the atrocious attributes of Calvin. Thomas Jefferson
The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. -- [Bertrand Russell]
Exploring the universe through meditation is like studying human relationships through masturbation.
A mystic is someone who wants to understand the universe, but is too lazy to study physics
I do not find in our particular superstitions of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. [Thomas Jefferson]
Humanity has the stars in its future, and that future is too important to be lost under the burden of juvenile folly and ignorant superstition. [Isaac Asimov]
God exists, if only in the form of a meme with high survival value, or infective power, in the environment provided by human culture.
[Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene]
The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
[Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene]
I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. [Thomas Alva Edison,]
I am a demo religious meme which has been replicated here. You will be blessed if you copy me and pass me on to infect the next mind. And damned if you don't.
The church never doubts -- never inquires. To doubt is heresy -- to inquire is to admit that you do not know -- the church does neither. [R.G. Ingersoll]
If that story [Creation] was necessary to keep me out of hell and put me in heaven -- necessary for my life -- I wouldn't believe it because I couldn't believe it. [Clarence Darrow]
Fear believes -- courage doubts. Fear falls upon the earth and prays -- courage stands erect and thinks. Fear is barbarism -- courage is civilization. Fear believes in witchcraft, in devils and in ghosts. Fear is religion, courage is science. [R.G. Ingersoll]
The only terror in death is the apprehension of what lies beyond it, and that emotion is impossible to a sincere disbeliever.
[C.W. Foote Infidel Death Beds]
The enemy with whom I have to grapple is one with whom no peace can be made. Idolatry will not parley; superstition will not treat on covenant. They must be uprooted for public and individual safety. [Richard Carlisle]
Religion stills a thinking mind.
WARNING: Giving up religion now greatly increases humanity's chances for survival.
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
[Susan B. Anthony]
For that again, is what all manner of religion essentially is: childish dependency. [Albert Ellis]
I have been looking for god for fifty years and I think if he had existed I should have discovered him. [Thomas Hardy]
It is grander to think and investigate for yourself than to repeat a creed. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
The inspiration of the Bible depends on the credulity of him who reads. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
The time appears to me to have come when it is the duty of all to make their dissent from religion known. [John Stuart Mill]
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to women is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. [Elizabeth Cady Stanton]
It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. [Mark Twain]
In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is always in allegiance to the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own. [Thomas Jefferson]
Every one who publishes a blasphemous libel is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years. Criminal Code of Canada sec. 296(1) So, arrest me!
Warning: Giving up religion now significantly improves chances of mental health.
Commonly, those who have professed the strongest motives of love of a God have demonstrated the deepest hatred toward human joy and liberty. [E. Haldeman-Julius]
After all, the principle objection which a thinking man has to religion is that religion is not true -- and is not even sane. [E. Haldeman-Julius]
A miracle is the badge and brand of fraud. ... No intelligent, honest man ever pretended to perform a miracle, and never will. {Robert G. Ingersoll]
...in every religion the priest insists on five things --
First: There is a God.
Second: He has made known his will.
Third: He has selected me to explain this message.
Fourth: We will now take up a collection; and
Fifth: Those who fail to subscribe will certainly be damned.
[Robert G. Ingersoll]
The very fact of there being more than one revelation is sufficient to raise doubts in the minds of reasoning people as to the validity of any of them. Rationalist's Manual, Aletheia, M.D.
Commerce makes friends, religion makes enemies; the one enriches, and the other impoverishes; the one thrives best where the truth is told, the other where falsehoods are believed. [R.G. Ingersoll]
Intelligence is the only moral guide. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
The man who wants to be an angel is never in a hurry to begin. [Lemuel K. Washburn, Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays]
The man who gets on his knees has not learned the right use of his legs. [Lemuel K. Washburn, Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays]
Trying to find God is a good deal like looking for money one has lost in a dream. [Lemuel K. Washburn, Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays]
If there were an afterlife, Isaac Asimov would have written a book about it by now.
Ignorance is the soil of the supernatural. The foundation of Christianity has crumbled, has disappeared, and the entire fabric must fall. The natural is true. The miraculous is false. [R.G. Ingersoll]
...but I also can't prove that mushrooms could not be intergalactic spaceships spying on us.
Ä Daniel Dennett
Go around the world, and where you find the least superstition, there you will find the best men, the best women, the best children.
Ä Robert G. Ingersoll
There are some truths, however, that we should never forget: Superstition has always been the relentless enemy of science; faith has been a hater of demonstration; hypocrisy has been sincere only in its dread of truth, and all religions are inconsistent with mental freedom. R.G. Ingersoll
If God wants us to do a thing, He should make his wishes sufficiently clear. Sensible people will wait till He has done this before paying much attention to Him. [Samuel Butler]
Would you have mansions of gold in the sky,
and live in a shack, here in the back?
Would you have wings up in heaven to fly,
While you live here with rags on your back? IWW song, from The Little Red Songbook, Songs to fan the flames of discontent
While we are under the tyranny of Priests [...] it will ever be their interest, to invalidate the law of nature and reason, in order to establish systems incompatible therewith. [Ethan Allen, Reason the Only Oracle of Man]
We cannot hope for a society in which formal organized religion dies out. But we can stop behaving as if it was worthy of our collective respect. [A. N. Wilson, Against Religion]
Jesus - Myth or Legend?
Christ rode on an ass, but now asses ride on Christ. -- Heine
They were allowed to stay there on one condition, and that is that they didn't eat of the tree of knowledge. That has been the condition of the Christian church from then until now. They haven't eaten as yet, as a rule they do not. --Clarence Darrow
A dogma is the hand of the dead on the throat of the living. [Lemuel K. Washburn, Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays]
If God exists, what objection can he have to saying so? [Lemuel K. Washburn, Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays]
Prayer is like a pump in an empty well, it makes lots of noise, but brings no water. [Lemuel K. Washburn, Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays]
A man cannot be happy who believes in hell, any more than he can sweeten his coffee with a pickle.
[Lemuel K. Washburn, Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays]
If the factory pays taxes and the church does not, it follows that the church will some day own the factory. [Lemuel K. Washburn, Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays]
Everywhere in the world there are ignorance and prejudice, but the greatest complex of these, with the most extensive prestige and the most intimate entanglement with traditional institutions, is the Roman Catholic Church. [H.G. Wells]
The two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
A hundred thousand lemmings can't be wrong.
All the professors in all the religious colleges in this country rolled into one, would not equal Charles Darwin. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
Atheism has one doctrine: To Question
Atheism has one dogma: To Doubt
The Atheist Bible has but one word: THINK.
paraphrase from Emmet F. Fields
Those who believe in hell can never know truth, for they are blinded by fear. [Emmet F. Fields]
...the Bible, a book that glorifies behavior you abhor. [FFRF]
Modern societies march towards morality in proportion as they leave religion behind.-Paul Bert
'Dear friends, -- Man has created God, not God man. Yours ever, Garibaldi.' [entire text of letter]
...and when you tell me that your deity made you in his own image, I reply that he must be very ugly. [Victor Hugo, writing to clergy]
No wild beasts are as hostile to men as Christian sects in general are to one another. [Emperor Julian]
Morality becomes hypocrisy if it means accepting mothers suffering or dying in connection with unwanted pregnancies and illegal abortions--and unwanted children living in misery. Gro Harlem Brundtland
'...the Bible as we have it contains elements that are scientifically incorrect or even morally repugnant. No amount of explaining away can convince us that such passages are the product of Divine Wisdom.' -- Bernard J. Bamberger, The Story of Judaism
The destroyer of weeds, thistles and thorns is a benefactor whether he soweth grain or not.
--Robert G. Ingersoll
Re: God...
1) The emperor has no clothes.
2) There is no emperor.
Irreligion: The principal one of the great faiths of the world. [Ambrose Bierce]
I have noticed all my life that many people think they have religion when they are troubled with dyspepsia. [R.G. Ingersoll]
An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support. - John Buchan
Anyone who opposes methods to control the birth rate, is automatically voting in favour having the death rate go up.
Dr. Paul Erlich, on CBC's Quirks and Quarks
As the poet said, 'Only God can make a tree' -- probably because it's so hard to figure out how to get the bark on. [Woody Allen]
The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness [Joseph Conrad]
Should it turn out that I am the worst man in the whole world, the story of the flood will remain just as improbable as before, and the contradictions of the Pentateuch will still demand an explanation. -- Robert G. Ingersoll
When people learn no tools of judgment and merely follow their hopes, the seeds of political manipulation are sown. -- Stephen Jay Gould
God is make believe
Consider the ignorance of the average fundamentalist. Then realize that by definition fully half of them must be even dumber than that.
A humanist is an atheist who cares.
Dr. Wendell Watters
Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul. -- Mark Twain
Ignorance is the mother of devotion. -- Dean Henry Cole
There is no such source and cause of strife, quarrel, fights, malignant opposition, persecution, and war, and all evil in the state, as religion. -- Supreme Court of Wisconsin Weiss vs District Board March 18, 1890
Inspired? The Bible is not even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of absurdities and contradictions.
E. Haldeman-Julius, The Meaning Of Atheism
Christianity has made of death a terror which was unknown to the gay calmness of the Pagan. --Ouida
A god's primary function is to confirm for us deeply held beliefs that we can't let go of, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. When you are totally and absolutely convinced of something fundamentally unreasonable, it helps to believe you have divine guidance
The undoubted sign of a society well under control or in decline is that language has ceased to be a means of communication and has become instead a shield for those who master it. -- John Ralston Saul, Voltaire's Bastards
The church has contributed nothing to civilization. It has progressed somewhat, and it has become a little more decent, in reflection of the movements of civilization that have taken place outside of the church and usually in the face of the strong opposition of the church. E. Haldeman-Julius The Church Is a Burden, Not a Benefit, In Social Life
The citizen's job is to be rude--to pierce the comfort of professional intercourse by boorish expressions of doubt.
--John Ralston Saul, The Doubter's Companion
With soap, baptism is a good thing. [Robert G. Ingersoll]
This sentence no verb. -- Douglas Hofstadter Metamagical Themas
When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one. --Ben Franklin
There is no need to search for global solutions, apart from an absolute necessity to destroy the idea that such things exist.
- - John Ralston Saul, Voltaire's Bastards
Theists have good reasons for not believing in every god but their own. Atheists make no exception for the last one. Brett Lemoine
Humanism : An exaltation of freedom, but one limited by our need to exercise it as an integral part of nature and society.
-- John Ralston Saul, The Doubter's Companion
To err is a sign of intelligence. ... A society that punishes error--as Western civilization increasingly does--discourages individual responsibility.
-- John Ralston Saul, The Doubter's Companion
The creationists have this creator who is evil, who is small-minded, who is malevolent, and who is not very bright and can't even get his science right. Creationists have made their creator in their own image, in my view.
--Prof. Ian Plimer - The Skeptic, Vol 13, No2.
There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Bertrand Russell in Human Society in Ethics and Politics.
If I believed in a god, which I do not, I would like to communicate with him on the same intellectual level. Therefore, I would have to teach him a few things.
-- Aaron Erwin
nullifidian n. & a. (Person) having no religious faith or belief, [f. med. L nullifidius fr L nullus none + fides faith; see IAN]
freethinker n. A person who forms opinions about religion on the basis of reason, independently of tradition, authority, or established belief.
Whenever someone says, 'We can't be sentimental.' You know they're about to do something cruel. When they also say, 'We have to be realistic.' You know they're going to make money at it.
We have at last ascertained that miracles can be perfectly understood; that there is nothing mysterious about them; that they are simply transparent falsehoods. Robert Ingersoll
... we ought even to hold as a fixed principle that what I see white I believe to be black, if the superior authorities define it to be so. -- Ignatius de Loyola
Don't try to be happy, it will only make you miserable.dialogue from the movie Lovers and Other Strangers
Autumn wind:
gods, Buddha--
lies, lies, lies
--Shiki
Where there are humans
you'll find flies,
and Buddhas --Issa
What is an anarchist? One who, choosing, accepts the responsibility of choice. Ursula K. LeGuinn, The Day before the Revolution
The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas --uncertainty, progress, change -- into crimes. --Salman Rushdie
God tells Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If this was the only way they could understand the difference between good and evil, how could they have known that it was wrong to disobey god and eat the fruit? from laurie lynn
Philosophy is questions that may never be answered.
Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
Do we, holding that the gods exist, deceive ourselves with insubstantial dreams and lies, while random careless chance and change alone control the world? [Euripedes, Hecuba]
Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.
[Benjamin Franklin]
The Theologian is an owl, sitting on an old dead branch in the tree of human knowledge, and hooting the same old hoots that have been hooted for hundreds and thousands of years, but he has never given a hoot for progress. [Emmet F. Fields]
Calvin founded a little theocracy, modeled after the Old Testament, and succeeded in erecting the most detestable government that ever existed, except the one from which it was copied. --Heretics and Heresies, Robert G. Ingersoll
To know that the Bible is the literature of a barbarous people, to know that it is uninspired, to be certain that the supernatural does not and cannot exist -- all this is but the beginning of wisdom.--R.G. Ingersoll
The Santa myth is one of the most effective means ever devised for intimidating children, eroding their self-esteem, twisting their behavior, warping their values, and slowing their development of critical thinking skills. --Tom Flynn, The Trouble with Christmas
A mystic is a person who is puzzled before the obvious but who understands the nonexistent [Elbert Hubbard]
Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger. [Abbie Hoffman]
He is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong. --Thomas Jefferson
To love justice, to long for the right, to love mercy, to pity the suffering, to assist the weak, to forget wrongs and remember benefits -- to love the truth, to be sincere, to utter honest words, to love liberty, to wage relentless war against slavery in all its forms, to love wife and child and friend, to make a happy home, to love the beautiful; in art, in nature, to cultivate the mind, to be familiar with the mighty thoughts that genius has expressed, the noble deeds of all the world, to cultivate courage and cheerfulness, to make others happy, to fill life with the splendor of generous acts, the warmth of loving words, to discard error, to destroy prejudice, to receive new truths with gladness, to cultivate hope, to see the calm beyond the storm, the dawn beyond the night, to do the best that can be done and then to be resigned -- this is the religion of reason, the creed of science. This satisfies the brain and heart. --Robert G. Ingersoll, The Foundations of Faith
No miracle has ever taken place under conditions which science can accept. Experience shows, without exception, that miracles occur only in times and in countries in which miracles are believed in, and in the presence of persons who are disposed to believe them. --Ernest Renan, The Life of Jesus
The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored.
In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.
Richard Dawkins in "God's Utility Function," Scientific American, November 1995, p. 85.
A reasonable list of human qualities might include: Ethics, common sense, imagination or creativity, memory or history or experience, intuition and reason. The humanist tries to use all of these. ... The moment one quality is cut free from the others and given precedence over them, this imbalance will bring out the winner's negative aspects.
Thus ethics in power quickly turn into a religious dictatorship. Common sense couldn't help but subside into pessimistc confusion, as if wallowing in the mud. Creativity into anarchy. Memory into the worst sort of monarchical dictatorship. Intuition into the rule of base superstition. And reason, as we have seen over the last half-century, into a directionless, amoral dictatorship of structure. John Ralston Saul -- The Doubter's Companion
But why are Paul's commands not followed to-day? Why are not the words, sister, mother, daughter, wife, only names for degradation and dishonor? Because men have grown more honorable than their religion, and the strong arm of the law, supported by the stronger arm of public sentiment, demands greater justice than St. Paul ever dreamed of. Because men are growing grand enough to recongize the fact that right is not masculine only, and that justice knows no sex. And because the church no longer makes the laws. Saints have been retired from the legal profession. I can't recall the name of a single one who is practicing law now. Have any of you ever met a saint at the bar? Women are indebted to-day for their emancipation from a position of hopeless degradation, not to their religion nor to Jehovah, but to the justice and honor of the men who have defied his commands. That she does not crouch to-day where St. Paul tried to bind her, she owes to the men who are grand and brave enough to ignore St. Paul, and rise superior to his God.--Helen H. Gardener
There could hardly be a more unbearable--and more irrational-- world than one in which the most eminent specialists in each field were allowed to proceed unchecked with the realization of their ideals. --Friedrich Hayek in The Road to Serfdom
And worrying is less work than doing something to fix the worry. This is especially true if we're careful to pick the biggest possible problems to worry about. Everybody wants to save the earth; nobody want to help Mom do the dishes. P.J. O'Rourke All The Troubles in the World
The first grand requisite to the growth of prudential habits is the perfect security of property; and the next perhaps is that respectability and importance which are given to the lower classes by equal laws, and the possession of some influence in the framing of them.
We have been miserably deficient in the instruction of the poor, perhaps the only means of really raising their condition.
Thomas Malthus, Essay on the Principle of Population
The most successful supporters of tyranny are without doubt those general declaimers who attribute the distresses of the poor, and almost all the evils to which society is subject, to human institutions and the iniquity of governments.
Thomas Malthus, Essay on the Principle of Population
They hang the man
and flog the woman
that steals the goose
from off the Common;
but let the greater
felon loose
that steals the Common
from the goose.
18th century folk commentary, reported by Adrian Vaughn in the New Internationalist letters column.
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